{"id":3742,"date":"2019-11-07T15:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-11-07T14:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forfulgtekristne.dk\/2019\/11\/07\/interview-mad-naar-frem-til-de-nordkoreanere-der-traenger-allermest\/"},"modified":"2024-03-15T15:33:25","modified_gmt":"2024-03-15T14:33:25","slug":"interview-food-reaches-the-north-koreans-who-need-it-most","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/forfulgtekristne.dk\/en\/2019\/11\/07\/interview-mad-naar-frem-til-de-nordkoreanere-der-traenger-allermest\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Food reaches the North Koreans who need it most"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Image: Tim says in the interview that North Koreans' ability to get food from the government depends on their loyalty to the Kim family.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">On\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">a recent trip to Asia, I met several of the Danish European Mission's contacts<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, among others Tim<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. It turned into\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">more<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Good conversations about helping the persecuted Christians in North Korea<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">but first a little politics<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">is\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Status of the negotiations between Trump and Kim Jong-un?<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The two leaders' m<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Destinations in Singapore<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Hano<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">i and\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">i\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">the\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">demilita<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">r<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ised speech<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0area\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">i\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">(DMZ)<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">between North and South<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">korea\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">has than<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">now not resulted in a<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0breakthrough<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">but the question is<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0whether the meetings instead serve to develop\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">the\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">personalized<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0chemistry\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Between\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">the<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. This can<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">potentially<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">b<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">idrage\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">to<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0a nuclear disarmament agreement,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">as well as\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">if<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0USA<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0changes<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0negotiating position, where you\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">only\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">vil\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Demand a nuclear freeze<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and not like now\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Total and documented dismantling of the entire\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">l<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">andets<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0nuclear arsenal and\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">-<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">program<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_13031\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13031\" style=\"width: 822px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-13031 size-large\" src=\"https:\/\/forfulgtekristne.dk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/donal-trump-kim-jong-un-nordkorea-forfulgte-kristne-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"832\" height=\"555\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-13031\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Is a compromise on the way between the US and North Korea over nuclear weapons?<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Safety and security<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">political hawks<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0i<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Tru<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">m<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ps\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Government<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0vil\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ridge<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">argue strongly against a\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">such\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">compromise, but it\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">is clear that the President is keen to\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ensure a\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">s<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">t<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">gold<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Agreement<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">as well as\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">He wants\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ift.<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Israe<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In and around the Palestinian Territories<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">If\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">T<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">rump decides to\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">such a rather\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">spectacular compromise, many observers say it will be a major victory for North Korea<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">which has been\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Determined to keep\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">country<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0nuclear program.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The two leaders said<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0after the meeting in\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">DMZ<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">that their working groups will re<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Roof<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0negotiations<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">no<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">but many\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">north korea<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">observers\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">remains skeptical<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e, since\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Kim sees nuclear weapons as a guarantee for the survival of his regime.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e tough sanctions are there\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">however\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Still. On paper\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">they seem to be effective<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">For example, China's border with North Korea is very porous, as is Russia's border with North Korea. Expecting China and Russia to comply with sanctions<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0is naive.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Are the sanctions affecting ordinary people?<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">It should be mentioned that there are exceptions to the sanctions,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0for<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0example food<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0to prevent the population from being affected. But because North Korea is the way it is, the population is affected anyway.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Do you want to\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Elaborate?\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Does the distribution of the board depend on<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0Food by<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0citizens' songbun<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">-\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">and can you explain what songbun is<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">?<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Yes, d<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">North Korean society is organized according to the songbun principles<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">where d<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">in loyalty is assessed\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">based on a number of criteria<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">H<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">show your<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ancestors\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">for<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">example\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">were soldiers or landowners\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">On the South Korean side<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">before or\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">and<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">is<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Korean War<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0(<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">1950-1953), will\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">d<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">in character<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and credibility<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">become be<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">doubted<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0compared to 'clean\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">North Korean loyalty'.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Christians<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0is considered<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0disloyal,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0as they recognize a higher authority than the Kim family<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">is\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">thus\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">lowest in the hierarchy<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. The<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">n<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0North Korean\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Population is<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, in broad strokes,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">in<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">split<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">into three groups: 1.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e loyal, 2.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e wavering and 3.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">D<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e unfair.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 80px;\"><strong>Christians are considered disloyal as they recognize a higher authority than the Kim family, and are thus the lowest in the hierarchy\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The rise of capitalism\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">through 'grassroots markets' (<\/span><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">jang<\/span><\/i><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">-ma-dang<\/span><\/i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">)<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">that have emerged after the<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">n\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">public\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">food supply at a glance\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">b<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Red together in<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">less wealthy<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0provinces<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Reduces the importance of songbuns<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, as people<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0who have made money<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0can bribe officials and gain access to opportunities that\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">d<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">e<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">re<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">s songbun not\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">or else\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Enables.\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">R<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">The government's distribution of food depends on the citizens' songbun<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0so that citizens with the highest\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">loyal<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">tet<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Get food first<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">. That's why many governments have stopped supporting the UN<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">'<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">s<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0food program in the country. Many people ask<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0also<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">: If North Korea has millions of dollars for their weapons development program, why\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">doesn't the country spend the money on food instead<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">?<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">There were severe droughts in 2018 and the harvest will also be very poor in\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">year<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">and there is no prospect of it getting any better in\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">the next few years.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<h2><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Is it an advantage that the food program supported by the Danish European Mission does not<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0go<\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0through the government?<\/span><\/i><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Yes, bypassing the government is a strategic choice<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">that we have consciously made,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Since the food<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0thus can reach\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">forward\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">ti<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">In the\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Christian<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and others in need with<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0low<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"><\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">songbun,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Tim concludes.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;201341983&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:160,&quot;335559740&quot;:259}\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Many thanks to everyone<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0ensuring that persecuted North Korean Christians<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0and<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0other people in need in North Korea can get emergency aid.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"payment-pre-wrapper\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"details\">Support<\/h3>\r\n\t\t\t\t\t<form id=\"fundraising-pre\" action=\"\/en\/give-help\/\" method=\"get\" class=\"form-inline payment-pre\" data-trp-original-action=\"\/giv-hjaelp\/\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<input type=\"hidden\" name=\"pre_project\" value=\"254\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"form-group form-amount\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<input type=\"number\" value=\"\" name=\"pre_amount\" autocomplete=\"off\" placeholder=\"Amount in 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